[XColX]

How many people does marihuana actually kill? Must be a million times less than cigarettes and alcohol, and they're legal.

Anyway, who agrees the next DoZ themes should be "politics" and "religion"? :<

[Skylark]

I'm not saying that cigarettes should be legal. Or alcohol; I don't drink either. I personally hate all drugs, but then again, I HATE EVERYTHING. Because I am a nihilist.

Also marijuana kills less people because less people smoke marijuana than do tobacco. But that's irrelevant, because smoking sucks, no matter what it is that's burning. Not only does it do damage to the smokers themselves, but to others around them. And it stinks. I think if people want to get high, why not go kitesurfing? Kitesurfing is fun. Or, if they are the really adventurous type, they could eat blue-vein cheese. Now that's adrenaline pumping.

WAIT WHY AM I PARTICIPATING IN THIS I HATE THIS THREAD =(((

[Pyro1588]

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I personally hate all drugs

i know! oxybutynin, nitrofurantoin, ibuprofen. they're all just so evil! =P

[CJA]

I would raise taxes and do bad stuff for my own enjoyment and everyone would hate me, so I'd rather not be one. I'd rather be the vice president because I never even see him anyway and I don't want to be in the spotlight all the time.

[Dr_Dos]

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I found this while walking home from the movies last night. It's the Liberals' agenda for today, June 5, 2005. Let's look and see what a day is like for the Liberals of America...


Liberal Agenda for June 5, 2005

8:00 ? Wake up. Hug tree.

8:10 ? Quick breakfast of Wheaties w/ banana and unborn fetuses, stem cells spread on toast.

8:20 ? Get dressed in hemp suit.

8:30 ? Miscellaneous worship of false idols.

8:45 - Drive to methadone clicnic in hybrid car; 30% electric, 70% Bible furnace.

8:50 ? Receive methadone. Sell for pot.

9:00 ? Catch up on a little reading: Torah, Koran, Book of Mormon, other books not The Bible.

10:00 ? Stop on way to welfare office to drown puppies.

10:20 ? Pickup welfare check.

10:30 ? Cash check.

10:35 ? Buy more pot.

11:30 ? Miscellaneous Sodomy.

12:00 ? Light lunch of sushi and stem cell pie, plus cappuccino, at upscale coffee shop.

12:30 ? Stop at nearest cemetery to bleach flags on veterans' graves.

1:30 ? Miscellaneous coveting.

3:00 ? Steal babies, throw them from bridge.

3:30 ? Bomb a church.

4:00 ? Meeting with Jews for instructions on what news stories to run today.

5:00 ? Formal dinner/fundraiser of virgin Christian sacrifice. Guest speakers Michael Moore, Al Franken, Satan, and Bizarro Ann Coulter.

6:30 ? Smoke cigars lit by a burning pictures of Jesus

6:45 ? Infiltrate the school system to attract impressionable young student to the homosexual lifestyle.

7:00 ? Miscellaneous taking the Lord's name in vain.

7:10 ? Smoke pot.

7:15 ? Giggle for about twenty minutes.

7:35 ? Order pizza with extra cheese and stem cells.

8:00 ? Pay pizza man in food stamps.

8:30 ? Watch Real Time with Bill Maher.

9:30 ? Bedtime snack of nachos with three kind of cheese and peppers. No stem cells, watching weight.

10:00 ? Miscellaneous dishonor of mother and father.

10:30 ? Early bedtime, need rest for tomorrow's All-Day Sodomy Fest.

[Dr Lancer-X]

Those wascly wabbitswiberals! I _knew_ they did something like that.

[Dr Lancer-X]

Skylark, on Jul 19 2005, 07:10 AM, said:

I'm not saying that cigarettes should be legal. Or alcohol; I don't drink either. I personally hate all drugs, but then again, I HATE EVERYTHING. Because I am a nihilist.

nihilist doesn't equate to hating things- in fact nihilism equates to very little hate at all--mostly apathy

[djtiesto]

Skylark, on Jul 19 2005, 07:20 AM, said:

PS: Luke I don't know if this whole "I really care about the world" is a load of shit or whether you've just had way too much therapy since the old days but it's really wearing thin on me. And marijuana kills people, so why the hell should it be legalised?

And I wasn't just referring to this thread. In general you are pulling this political crap. Sorry but I just don't like it. =(

If you don't like it, there's a really simple solution: don't read it! Just accept the fact that some people may have different ideals/values than you and move on.

[hob nado]

LOL >=(

I'm going to just let this thread run forever. It's like on TV when you catch your kid smoking and then you make him finish the whole pack in one sitting, knowing that it'll make him too sick to ever want to do it again.

[Seventh Shade]

Exophase, on Jul 16 2005, 04:30 PM, said:

Seventh Shade, on Jul 16 2005, 02:19 PM, said:

I like how everyone says making inflamatory posts about religion and politics is bad but then does so at every possible opportunity.

I like your generalization and exaggeration.. wait, no, I don't like it at ALL. :|

- Exo

Sorry about that.

[Skylark]

djtiesto, on Jul 20 2005, 07:46 AM, said:

Skylark, on Jul 19 2005, 07:20 AM, said:

PS: Luke I don't know if this whole "I really care about the world" is a load of censored or whether you've just had way too much therapy since the old days but it's really wearing thin on me. And marijuana kills people, so why the hell should it be legalised?

And I wasn't just referring to this thread. In general you are pulling this political crap. Sorry but I just don't like it. =(

If you don't like it, there's a really simple solution: don't read it! Just accept the fact that some people may have different ideals/values than you and move on.

Okay, tell me what the point is in legalising marijuana. Apart from saving cops some weekend time, WHAT IS THE POINT. I mean really. What is it. Someone tell me.

BTW i am also lobbying panadol lolz

[Exophase]

Seventh Shade, on Jul 19 2005, 07:09 PM, said:

Exophase, on Jul 16 2005, 04:30 PM, said:

Seventh Shade, on Jul 16 2005, 02:19 PM, said:

I like how everyone says making inflamatory posts about religion and politics is bad but then does so at every possible opportunity.

I like your generalization and exaggeration.. wait, no, I don't like it at ALL. :|

- Exo

Sorry about that.

S'okay. I'm tired of certain people too

- Exo

[Dr_Dos]

Skylark, on Jul 20 2005, 12:22 AM, said:

Okay, tell me what the point is in legalising marijuana. Apart from saving cops some weekend time, WHAT IS THE POINT. I mean really. What is it. Someone tell me.

1) Crime rate drops. Not only for people no longer being arrested for a consentual crime, but also because the dealers (granted with marijuana i don't know how tense things get) can now go to court if somebody doesn't pay or something as opposed to blowing their brains out.

2) Revenue. Cigarettes are mad crazy taxed, there's no reason not to do the same with marijuana. In fact a lot of money from cigarette purchases goes towards programs to educate the people on the dangers. The same can be done with marijuana.

3) Safer. Would you buy meat that wasn't inspected? God knows what's in it. If anything was added to a joint that was legally purchased it would have to be stated.

4) Environmentally friendlier. Paper means trees and trees take time to regrow. However it can be made from hemp as well. Which obviously is much quicker to grow than a tree. I know it's possible to make cars run on it, but I have no idea on how effective that is.

5) Drug tests. You'd likely be fired if you tested positive for marijuana. You can lose your job for something you do independently of it. If you show up to work drunk, that's a problem, same if you show up high. If you drink after work no problem, but currently if you smoke after work there is a problem.

6) Jail. Assuming you get a light murder sentence which begins on the same day somebody gets a drug related charge it's quite possible you'll be out before the other guy. Is marijuana worse than murder? According to current US laws it very well can be.

7) The reason opium was banned was so the Chinese would work on the railroads rather than use it. Cocaine was banned in the south to prevent slaves from rebelling. Most early anti-marijuana reports were ran by a person who not only owned a newspaper, but who made the paper it was written on. The paper was made using his comapny's chemicals, but when made from hemp (#4) the chemicals weren't needed.

The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human. - Aldous Huxley

[Prophy]

Skylark, on Jul 20 2005, 01:22 AM, said:

djtiesto, on Jul 20 2005, 07:46 AM, said:

Skylark, on Jul 19 2005, 07:20 AM, said:

PS: Luke I don't know if this whole "I really care about the world" is a load of censored or whether you've just had way too much therapy since the old days but it's really wearing thin on me. And marijuana kills people, so why the hell should it be legalised?

And I wasn't just referring to this thread. In general you are pulling this political crap. Sorry but I just don't like it. =(

If you don't like it, there's a really simple solution: don't read it! Just accept the fact that some people may have different ideals/values than you and move on.

Okay, tell me what the point is in legalising marijuana. Apart from saving cops some weekend time, WHAT IS THE POINT. I mean really. What is it. Someone tell me.

BTW i am also lobbying panadol lolz

Because people want to smoke marijauana. If they're going to anyway, why not make it a regulated, safer and taxable item like alcohol or cigarettes?

For the record: I don't drink, I don't smoke, and I don't use drugs (yeah, I'm real fun at parties). However, I still believe that if people want to use these things on themselves, they should have the right to.

Damn my liberal stance!

This post has been edited by Prophet: 20 July 2005 - 08:41 AM

[Castlevania]

Yeah, I agree with what Prophet said. It's all about the right to choose, if somebody wants to smoke ganja who are we to say they can't? If it does have side effects then it's important we teach these things in schools, just like we do with cigarettes, at least then you can make your choice based upon facts.

But on my island I would take this further.

Crack would be legal...actually any drug would be, of course you'd learn about the side effects and what not in school. However, if this effects your contribution to society then it's the repair program for you mister. There are actualy people in this world who smoke crack and live a perfectly normal life, there aren't many though.

PS
By the way, I am not promoting the use of crack in any way, I just feel that in an equal world everybody should have the right to smoke it.

[Skylark]

EDIT: Whoa, that was angsty even by my standards. *HAWK*

Amended post:

Just because people do something doesn't mean that it should be legalised... I mean, what's next? Legal murder? People do that, so does that mean "they should have the right"? No. Some "people want to" kill other people. "If they're going to anyway, why not make it a regulated, safer and" NO. I definitely DON'T agree with you.

Apologies for those who read the unamended post.

This post has been edited by Skylark: 20 July 2005 - 01:02 PM

[Prophy]

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EDIT: Whoa, that was angsty even by my standards. *HAWK*

Amended post:

Just because people do something doesn't mean that it should be legalised... I mean, what's next? Legal murder? People do that, so does that mean "they should have the right"? No. Some "people want to" kill other people. "If they're going to anyway, why not make it a regulated, safer and" NO. I definitely DON'T agree with you.

Apologies for those who read the unamended post.

Okay, let's put it this way:

If someone smokes pot, they consent to do it to themselves - any damage caused is their own fault. By contrast, if someone attacks someone else, the attacker inflicts damage on their unconsenting victim.

It's not a case of "if they want to do it, let them". It's "if they want to do it, and it's entirely reasonable and doesn't hurt anyone else, then let them".

EDIT: Darn you for changing your post while I was writing mine
EDIT 2: I'm typo-ing a lot today.

This post has been edited by Prophet: 20 July 2005 - 01:13 PM

[ShloobeR]

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I mean, what's next? Legal murder? People do that, so does that mean "they should have the right"?

I bet in the future there will be a 'murder tax'

This post has been edited by ShloobeR: 20 July 2005 - 01:18 PM

[Sai'ke]

*pokes Skylark*

I'd stop making an ass of myself if I were you. As Prophet said, you're obviously still comparing two things that simply aren't the same. I'd like to hear some real arguments, and not just some comparisons that just don't make sense.

Also, did you know that there are drugs whose effects are much more extreme that are legal in the states though? Like salvia for instance...

- Sai`ke

[Skylark]

Legalising marijuana would only say that the government is approving of such habits. COULD YOU EVEN IMAGINE what this would do. Kids wouldn't have to go snooping around for the odd cigarette, why, they can steal hash from the local fag store. Or better yet, nick it from their father while he's high. Legalising marijuana would nearly be the worst thing possible that the American government could do (distant second to re-electing bush but I didn't say that shhh :().

Besides the whole system at airports - hell, everywhere is set up around preventing drug trafficking, etc. Could you imagine what would happen to America if it suddenly decided, "i no, well legalizze crack lolz"? The country would no longer lead the world, I can tell you. Nor would the government remain in bonds with any other 1st world countries. Legalising marijuana would be a step backward for the country. Not to mention the flood of overseas people who now not only get to live out the american dream (LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLZ) but get high at the same time?

Legalising marijuana is probably the most stupid suggestion I've ever heard. EVER.

[Skylark]

Fuck that I'm not using him as an argument. Ignore this post it was an accidental double almost.

This post has been edited by Skylark: 20 July 2005 - 01:52 PM

[Prophy]

People do stupid things, and accidents happen. I'm sorry about your friend, but for every person who harms themselves while on drugs (including alcohol), there are thousands who have a very enjoyable time.

Every right you are granted comes hand-in-hand with a responsibility. Unfortunately, a lot of people aren't willing to be responsible any more. These are the people who try to blame their actions on everyone and everything except themselves.

EDIT: Darn it, stop changing your posts :<

This post has been edited by Prophet: 20 July 2005 - 01:56 PM

[Sai'ke]

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Legalising marijuana would only say that the government is approving of such habits. COULD YOU EVEN IMAGINE what this would do. Kids wouldn't have to go snooping around for the odd cigarette, why, they can steal hash from the local fag store.

You could enforce the same regulations as with alcohol (which incidentally is a far stronger and more dangerous drug than marihuana). Also ... the kids that do wanna try, will eventually find a way to get marihuana. Now at least you will be able to make sure it's not garbage they're smoking.

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Besides the whole system at airports - hell, everywhere is set up around preventing drug trafficking, etc. Could you imagine what would happen to America if it suddenly decided, "i no, well legalizze crack lolz"? The country would no longer lead the world, I can tell you.

We weren't discussing crack.

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Nor would the government remain in bonds with any other 1st world countries.

I live in the Netherlands. Here marihuana is legal. Not only have we remained in bonds with other countries but other countries are following our example. Belgium for example has started the process of legalising marihuana. Also, in plenty of European countries the punishments for it aren't as ridiculously harsh as in the States.

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Legalising marijuana would be a step backward for the country. Not to mention the flood of overseas people who now not only get to live out the american dream (LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLZ) but get high at the same time?

Yes, there will be marihuana tourism. It happens over here too with the Germans... But since they spend money in your country and then go away again later, that's only good for your economy. Also, you could tax it...

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Legalising marijuana is probably the most stupid suggestion I've ever heard. EVER.

blahblahblah...

- Sai`ke

[Dr_Dos]

please please PLEASE somebody read the drug chapters http://www.mcwilliam...ks/aint/toc.htm

The government also allows abortion, but I can tell you right now the current administration doesn't seem to support it.