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Posted 01 April 2012 - 05:02 AM

Does anyone else out there buy/collect/prefer vinyl to other physical music formats? I've recently started exclusively buying vinyl, because if I buy a CD, I rip it to MP3s then it sits on the shelf and I never pull out the physical CD again.

I've got about 20 LP's and a dozen 7" singles, some of which are thrift store finds, others are 180gm audiophile releases, and others are reissues or just new releases.

My most recent purchase was Venetian Snares' Fool The Detector 12" EP, which set me back under AUD$20 direct from the label's website. I'm also waiting on Burial - Untrue 2x12" that I bought from Discogs marketplace, and a couple weeks back I picked up The Prodigy - The Fat Of The Land 2x12" from a local chain store for under AU$30.

I love the experience of taking the vinyl out of the sleeve, setting it down on the turntable, putting on headphones and just listening. No skipping tracks I don't like, no listening in the background while I do other stuff on the PC. I feel like it's the way music should be enjoyed.

So, any other vinyl collectors out there on the DMZX forums?

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 06:46 PM

I don't collect any vinyl but you should buy this one, highly recommended: http://pintsizedreco...-self-titled-lp
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 02:43 AM

I own a few vinyls, namely some exclusive Nu-Disco stuff (Tiger & Woods!)
I just rip them to MP3 since I don't DJ with turntables. Yeah yeah, I know, but nowadays EDM DJs almost unanimously DJ via laptop/controller.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 05:21 AM

This thread is now about posting pictures of your album collections. (Be it vinyl/cd/tape, physical albums)



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edit: well okay, it was already kinda about that.

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This collection includes

All of The Doors,
All of The Beatles,
All of Led Zeppelin,
Almost all of Hendrix,
Some Gogol Bordello, Ella, Stray Cats,

I listen to these more than the 50 gig library on my computer.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 04:59 AM

I've been thinking of getting into Vinyl myself, mostly just because my parents have a huge collection of it.

I was looking at this (please nobody snipe that on me) earlier as a possible first turntable since its cheap and as a side benefit I can mp3ify some of my parents vinyls so they can listen to them on their iPods. Any pros/cons of this sort of thing to point out to me? Any other suggestions for 'baby's first record player'? :( Or just suggestions for albums for me to get, a lot of you have some idea what music I'm into by now.

EDIT: But if you don't, a simple genre summary in vague order of preference and probably omitting a few things I can't think of right now: Alternative Rock (specifically 90's era), College Rock, Grunge, Postgrunge, EBM, Futurepop, Synthpop, Industrial, Classic Rock, House, Folk, Thrash Metal, Industrial Metal, Industrial Rock, Goa, Death Metal.
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<@Tixus> Anyway, I set the year to 1988 for some reason.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 09:54 PM

Also, while I don't have a collection to post pictures of, my dad does.

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I'm not going to bother at all trying to list whats contained, safe to say I've been thumbing through it while I've been housesitting and theres little I haven't been able to find.

The second two pictures are of a seperate room from the first.
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<@Tixus> Anyway, I set the year to 1988 for some reason.
<@Tixus> And set the microwave to run for a minute and 28 seconds.
<@Tixus> But it failed to send me back in time, and I was disappointed.
<Insidious> Tixus accidentally microwaved the 80s
<Insidious> that is my takeaway from this
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 01:39 AM

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And heres my new turntable! I had a shitty chinese $30 one for a while but it died within a month. This one cost me $99 and is already seeming much better built, it's an Audio-Technica AT-LP60. And it has a real belt and an aluminum table and everything! (the chinese one had a tiny, 45-sized plastic disc and a rubber band for a belt)

Thats Daft Punk Discovery, side A of D on there.
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<@Tixus> Anyway, I set the year to 1988 for some reason.
<@Tixus> And set the microwave to run for a minute and 28 seconds.
<@Tixus> But it failed to send me back in time, and I was disappointed.
<Insidious> Tixus accidentally microwaved the 80s
<Insidious> that is my takeaway from this
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 07:20 PM

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My personal collection. Most of it is used eBay buys, thus the dilapidated covers.


From right to left:

LPs:

Daft Punk - Discovery
Rush - Moving Pictures
Rush - 2112
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
Jackson Brown - For Everyman
Santana - Santana's Greatest Hits
Journey - Departure (Not pictured as its on the turntable and the sleeve is on top of the turntable)


45s:

Pink Floyd - Another Brick in The Wall b/w One Of My Turns
Duran Duran - Union of the Snake b/w Secret Oktober
The Police - Every Breath You Take b/w Murder By Numbers
The Sandpipers - Things We Said Today b/w Louie Louie
Styx - Come Sail Away b/w Put Me On
Steppenwolf - Born to Be Wild b/w Everybody's Next One
Joe Cocker - Unchain My Heart (Radio Single)
The Beatles - Yesterday b/w Act Naturally
Deep Purple - Smoke On The Water (Radio Single)
Styx - Mr Roboto b/w Snowblind
Cutting Crew - Died In Your Arms b/w For The Longest Time
Donna Summer - She Works Hard For The Money b/w I Do Believe
Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band - War b/w Merry Christmas Baby
Queen - Another One Bites the Dust b/w Don't Try Suicide
Great White - Once Bitten Twice Shy (Radio Single)
Ray Charles - Eleanor Rigby b/w Understanding
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<@Tixus> Anyway, I set the year to 1988 for some reason.
<@Tixus> And set the microwave to run for a minute and 28 seconds.
<@Tixus> But it failed to send me back in time, and I was disappointed.
<Insidious> Tixus accidentally microwaved the 80s
<Insidious> that is my takeaway from this
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Posted 12 June 2013 - 05:57 PM

I shall not let this thread die! Somebody else here has to be interested in vinyl! :(

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My current collection. LPs sorted alphabetically by Artist, 45s on the left kinda willy nilly because I can't be bothered to sort them since I don't listen to them that much anymore.

45s are as before

LPs:

Adams, Bryan - Reckless
Asia - Asia
Browne, Jackson - For Everyman
Collins, Phil - Face Value
Cream - Disraeli Gears
Daft Punk - Discovery
Fleetwood Mac - Greatest Hits
Gold & Platinum - Volume Two (Compilation)
Gold & Platinum - Volume Five
Gold & Platinum - Volume Six
Harrison, Geroge - Cloud Nine
Idol, Billy - Billy Idol
Jethro Tull - Benefit
Journey - Departure
Journey - Greatest Hits
Journey - Raised on Radio
Lennon, Julian - Valotte
Morrison, Van - Tupelo Honey
Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine
Osbourne, Ozzy - Blizzard of Ozz
Osbourne, Ozzy - Diary of a Madman
Pet Shop Boys - Please
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
Pink Floyd - The Final Cut
Pink Floyd - The Wall
Rush - 2112
Rush - Moving Pictures
Santana - Greatest Hits
Simon, Paul - Graceland
Simon & Garfunkel - Bookends
Skrillex - More Monsters & Sprites
Sting - The Dream of Blue Turtles
Styx - The Grand Illusion
Taylor, James - Greatest Hits
U2 - Joshua Tree
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<@Tixus> Anyway, I set the year to 1988 for some reason.
<@Tixus> And set the microwave to run for a minute and 28 seconds.
<@Tixus> But it failed to send me back in time, and I was disappointed.
<Insidious> Tixus accidentally microwaved the 80s
<Insidious> that is my takeaway from this
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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:25 PM

This is part of my mom's collection, not mine, but its worth mentioning.

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This is not a normal copy of Led Zeppelin IV, also known as Untitled or ZOSO.

It doesn't have the symbols, doesn't have the cover art, and is actually labelled "IV", which the real version was not.

This is a french promotional copy by Right On Records, released in 1971 to radio stations.

Kinda cool, eh?

The songs on it are the same.
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<@Tixus> Anyway, I set the year to 1988 for some reason.
<@Tixus> And set the microwave to run for a minute and 28 seconds.
<@Tixus> But it failed to send me back in time, and I was disappointed.
<Insidious> Tixus accidentally microwaved the 80s
<Insidious> that is my takeaway from this
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Posted 07 August 2013 - 01:55 AM

That's an awesome album cover...
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Posted 07 August 2013 - 02:37 AM

Insidious, your parents collection reminds me of my parents collection. I've never had more than a passing interest in it, but there was one instance where my friends and I pulled out some stuff and listened to it. The thing that stuck in my head was this:
http://youtu.be/UIVe-rZBcm4
We listened to the entire seventeen minute song wondering what it meant. I think we even put the player in neutral and spun it backward to see if we could pick up anything.
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Posted 06 December 2014 - 09:17 AM

How are Vinyl's compared to CDs anyway? Certainly they almost seem extinct nowadays.
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Posted 06 December 2014 - 04:47 PM

View PostPerry Steven, on 06 December 2014 - 01:17 AM, said:

How are Vinyl's compared to CDs anyway? Certainly they almost seem extinct nowadays.

There is a certain charm to records. The sound is different. They're analog you know, not digital. For some, it's nostalgia.

Read this
http://electronics.h...question487.htm

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:59 PM

OOoof, I cannot, CANNOT let that article slide:

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This means that, by definition, a digital recording is not capturing the complete sound wave. It is approximating it with a series of steps.

One of the facinating things about digital audio is that listening to it requires it being listened to via analog. We're not plugging the electrical signals into our brain. While we might be listening to "snapshots," it's worth noting that in the space of time betwix 1/41000 of a second and 2/41000, the speaker cone is still moving. The only thing we lose when sampling is actually high frequency response.


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Some sounds that have very quick transitions, such as a drum beat or a trumpet's tone, will be distorted because they change too quickly for the sample rate.

That is a lie, and you are a liar for saying that.

Distort? Wrong word. The sample-rate determines 2 things; the highest frequency, and the intensity of anti-aliasing filter and the phase discrepancy it introduces to any given signal on output or recorded input. While we might miss something in that 1/41000 of a second, there are any number of other factors that keep the samplerate from having an appreciable effect on the fidelity. For instance, the microphone.

With a wind instrument, engineers like to use a kind of microphone called a ribbon mic. It generates a signal by the sound vibrating a metal ribbon betwix two attracting magnets and then transforms it to a higher level of output. By the same token that makes the actual signal we hear out a speaker NOT look like them on an oscilloscope, the ribbon is missing bits of the high frequency response because it just can't vibrate as fast as air particles.

I'm just using ribbon mics as an example because they're easy to explain, this is true of all microphones.

Distortion? Well, before the signal from the microphone ever even gets quantized and sampled, it hits an analog preamp. With a short and loud blast, the what will be quatized is what comes out of the preamp, and the preamp has reacted to the fact that it was short and quick already... by distorting it if it's too loud... Not that we'd ever even know because what the level meter says can tell us fast enough if it distorted or got too loud. The point is, samplerates are the smallest issue with catching a fast and loud anything. Blaming digital is a copout.

Also, digital won't distort unless you're feeding it too hot a signal, which would mean someone has done something massively stupid. The speed at which a sound is made and ceased CANNOT CANNOT CANNOT cause distortion, the worst it can cause is aliasing which is a can of worms I don't wanna open right now.

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A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound's waveform. This means that no information is lost. The output of a record player is analog. It can be fed directly to your amplifier with no conversion.

No information is lost? THAT IS ANOTHER LIE.

We're putting a signal through several different amplifiers and then turning it into a vibrating needle that chops the groove in the record here, and you have the gall to say that no information is lost??

Also, that notion of "with no conversion" confuses the shit out of me. we're taking a physical groove, while likely has foreign objects like dust in it, turning it into electricity, amplifying it, and then turning it into vibrations in the air. That's one ass-ton of transduction being performed in the most unreliable environment and medium possible, any phase of which is more likely to introduce random noise and whatnot to muddy the actual original and intended output.

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This means that the waveforms from a vinyl recording can be much more accurate, and that can be heard in the richness of the sound.

It can't be more accurate, they have to fudge the original recording to even get it on a vinyl disk.

BUZZWORD: "Richness"? The fuck does that even mean?! This is truthiness, and I will not stand for it!

Also, here's something fun! We've been recording using digital media long before recording with computers was ever a thing. Many things that got put on a vinyl we in fact, recorded on a DAT(digital audio tape) machine and then put on vinyl. Looking at the record collections above, these were recorded on DAT machines:
Rush - 2112
Collins, Phil - Face Value
The Police - Every Breath You Take b/w Murder By Numbers
Great White - Once Bitten Twice Shy (Radio Single)

And THESE were recorded on bloody computers then put on records:
Daft Punk - Discovery
Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine
Skrillex - More Monsters & Sprites

(that was just a glance really, I'd have to look into all of them to know about some of the others)

In the end, the fact is that vinyl records have charm. Their sound isn't "as they intended it to be," and if you want that you'll have to just listen to the original tapes on the original speakers in the original room. Digital is in fact, just better at reproducing the actual sounds moving through the air. It's so good that we tend to notice artifacts from the recording process that we don't like and don't want to hear, but were in fact, always there. Analog covers that up with the massive amount of error it introduces into any transduction. We tend to call that "warmth." This is a perfectly desirable quality of a recording.

What we need to realize and accept is that accuracy in reproduction isn't always a good thing. Analog isn't good because it's accurate, records aren't good because they're analog, and digital isn't bad because of the way in which it records and reproduces sound. Every single method and means of listening to anything is an abstraction of the real thing, and not a single one is better than the next.

For anything we think sounds good, we should probably just put to "It sounds good, who cares why," because I defy anyone to give you a straight answer without using a buzzword that doesn't mean anything. (such as "warmth" or "presence" or "boom".)

For the record, vinyl records DO sound great, I like listening to them more than digital. While many may agree with me on this, I think that it is important to know this is NOT because it's more accurate or a better reproduction of the recording than digital. That is entirely, utterly, and completely untrue. They sound better because.... Who knows?! And I'm much happier with sound still being a mystery, regardless of how much we may know about it now.
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Posted 11 December 2014 - 06:10 PM

Isn't the mechanical limitation of a microphone more of a sound quality problem than whatever aliasing you could possibly detect in an average professional-quality uncompressed digital sound file?

Anyway, nostalgia is such a powerful thing, and I think I can brazenly attribute any love of vinyl to that alone. I'm sure that it's all about the experience of the technology, which doesn't get enough credit. Enjoying a piece of music is enhanced by enjoying the mechanism by which it was delivered. I had a record player at one point, and my fondest memories are of examining how it worked and just marveling at how simple it seemed to a regular observer. I honestly hate how CDs and CD players work (especially in their early days when your Walkman would constantly skip), mechanically and from a user perspective. I sort of dislike how cassettes work as well. Vinyl was just a fun thing to use, and I love it for that reason.
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Posted 11 December 2014 - 08:11 PM

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Isn't the mechanical limitation of a microphone more of a sound quality problem than whatever aliasing you could possibly detect in an average professional-quality uncompressed digital sound file?

You say sound-quality-problem like aliasing isn't one. I honestly don't know what you mean by this... at all. Also, I was just using a mic's limitations as an example about how analog and digital share the same issues that make accuracy an untouchable goal, and digital itself is NEVER at fault for any of them. I was saying is that the microphone is more likely to be the cause of an issue in capturing the sound than any digital conversion that happens.

The point is that the sound that digital reproduces is, in fact, more accurate than any analog reproduction possibly could be. Whether accuracy even matters... Well, ask someone who cares about accuracy, I guarantee that they won't be talking about something that is actually accurate. Also, I guarantee that they enjoy music less than people who understand that there is no such thing, or just don't care about accuracy at all.

Nostalgia is one of the best reasons to like anything. It defies reason, it says "fuck you!" to logic, and I prefer the things I truly and deeply enjoy to be thus for no quantifiable reason. That's what I call magic.
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