[T-Bone]

With so many fake countdowns in the past for Fallout's next installment for Bethesda... I honestly didn't believe the news I heard over social media that its actually happening. Until now

http://fallout.bethsoft.com/

Are you excited? I know I am. I own Fallout 1 and 2 as well though I really don't mind the FPS take on the series.

[CJA]

I just played through Fallout 3. I actually timed it pretty much perfectly so I'm totally stoked for FO4, except it'll probably be released next year and I'll be off it by then... oh well

[Dr Lancer-X]

I didn't find anything to get especially excited about in the trailer, but it's another Fallout game so I'll almost definitely pour 100+ hours into it.

[CJA]

I noticed the "You're SPECIAL!" book on the floor of the baby's room.

Spoiler

you are the baby your parents dropped you into the vault at the last second they are annihiliated but you are fortunate enough to only become a ghoul you are experimented on throughout your childhood and they find the cure for ghouldom and restore you to a smoothskin but then you have to track down said cure because someone stole it and then you finally get it but then you have to make a lot of ethical choices about whether converting ghouls to humans is ethical and how to do it and etc and throughout this adventure you come to terms with your "inner ghoul". and if you want to do an evil karma playthrough you get to be a Glowing One and irradiate everything

[Dr Lancer-X]

CJA, on 10 June 2015 - 01:08 PM, said:

I noticed the "You're SPECIAL!" book on the floor of the baby's room.

Spoiler

you are the baby your parents dropped you into the vault at the last second they are annihiliated but you are fortunate enough to only become a ghoul you are experimented on throughout your childhood and they find the cure for ghouldom and restore you to a smoothskin but then you have to track down said cure because someone stole it and then you finally get it but then you have to make a lot of ethical choices about whether converting ghouls to humans is ethical and how to do it and etc and throughout this adventure you come to terms with your "inner ghoul". and if you want to do an evil karma playthrough you get to be a Glowing One and irradiate everything

Spoiler

excuse me, but i find this offensive. being a ghoul isn't about the radiation sickness on your skin, but the radiation sickness in your heart. chris haversam is a beautiful trans-ghoul who don't need no

[CJA]

Spoiler

seriously though, when is obummer going to make "radiation level" a federal protected class characteristic? or would that fall under something like genetic information and the damage thereof

(on that topic, there are other things that really need to be added to that list as well)

[djtiesto]

Why do all Bethesda games have such stilted animation?

[Graham]

djtiesto, on 15 June 2015 - 06:42 PM, said:

Why do all Bethesda games have such stilted animation?

I think it has a lot to do with the complexity of the games themselves and the sheer number of things the characters in the games are able to do.

[Dr Lancer-X]

My theories:

1) Basically the same as Graham's theory - it's about providing the maximum amount of reusability when it comes to the animations, so that they are compatible with many rigs and skeletons, since Bethesda games usually have a lot of potential variation in things like character models and equipment.
2) Because you'll buy it anyway; great looking screenshots and panning shots that show the vast scenery are what sells Bethesda games, not the animation quality. I remember feeling, both with Morrowind and Oblivion (less so with Skyrim, but I think they put a lot of extra effort into animations that time because it was attracting criticism) how the insanely beautiful looking screenshots felt at odds with the janky animation, and it really felt like they made a game that you could take a screenshot of at any point and it would look great, but when you actually looked at the screen while playing it, it would shatter the illusion.
3) Bethesda have a lot of staff and they like to keep them busy throughout a project and the way they go about game design is all about making the maximum use of their people. Unfortunately this means that certain rather rare and specialised skillsets like mocap and character animation are difficult to fit into this model.

EDIT: Apparently the E3 gameplay footage looks way better than the trailer did, so awesome. I haven't looked yet.

Also FF7 remake. I can't be the only person who thinks it's sad that the Final Fantasy series is in such disrepute nowadays that the announcement that makes people the happiest is that they'll soon be able to play an old game again with updated graphics. I'll play it, obviously*, because I love FF7 and I replay it every few years anyway, but I'd definitely rather an RPG that's just as good with a new story and characters. I suppose part of the reason people are so happy about this is because nobody believes Square Enix could possibly make anything anywhere near as good again- and I guess they have a point.

*assuming PC release or emulatability at some stage. Unless I get a PS4 for Persona 5...

anyway, who cares, Sakura no Uta has a release date now and it should be way better than any of this crap

[djtiesto]

I don't see the problem with remaking a game that's close to 20 years old, as long as they keep the 'spirit' of the original intact. SE's remakes are a mixed bag - while I thought FF Origins was a great remake of FF1/2, I wasn't as keen on the FF3 remake for the original DS (preferring the FC version). Their Dragon Quest remakes are consistently good.

And SE showed off some other brand-spanking new RPGs at their conference - a sequel to Nier (one of the most unappreciated games of last gen), the amazing-looking Star Ocean 5 (I'm a huge fan of the series), and that Project Setsuna from their all-new team created specifically to make console RPGs. Shame we didn't see more of SaGa Vita or get US release announcements for DQ7 Remix / DQ10, though.

But still, SE's conference was one of their best showings in years, after a horrific time last gen. Type-0 is pretty good (currently in the middle of it), I hear great things about ARR even though I don't play MMOs, Bravely Default had an awesome first half (but let's not talk about the second), Theatrhythm: Curtain Call is a great nostalgia piece for anyone into FF music... they're making mad bank on mobile poop, they're in much better shape as a company than they were last gen.

[Dr Lancer-X]

Well, it's just that I can already play FF7 now (and it still holds up), so I'm not getting anything new. It'll be prettier, sure, but it's pouring development hours into an effort that doesn't actually expand the library of JRPGs - you could put the same staff to work creating a new game and you'd probably be able to make something pretty awesome. So, while it would be nice, it's not like we get it for free - we're getting it instead of something else. I guess I'm just pointing out that the mainline Final Fantasy series has been so sad for the past 10+ years that the thing we're getting an FF7 remake instead of would probably be shit anyway - that's why the FF7 remake announcement is a little bit bittersweet for me; if we had any faith whatsoever in Square Enix to make a main series FF game that was actually any good we wouldn't be quite as excited for this*

djtiesto, on 17 June 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

while I thought FF Origins was a great remake of FF1/2

FF2 aside, I will never accept FF1 with an MP system. WSC MASTER RACE~

djtiesto, on 17 June 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

Shame we didn't see more of SaGa Vita

Wait what, SaGa's not dead? What the hell, why haven't I heard of this before?


*well, okay, that may not be true. People request remakes for everything - and I'm glad that, most of the time, the developers don't listen to them. There's been a constant hum of requests for Bethesda to remake Morrowind, and it's usually mixed up in nostalgia for elements of Morrowind's story quality, game design and mechanics that didn't make it to Oblivion and Skyrim; but it's not like those elements are inextricably linked to Morrowind. If Square Enix is able to remake FF7 and do a good job of it, surely they're just as capable of making a new game that's as good as FF7, but one we haven't already played over and over again.

[T-Bone]

I've recently started playing Fallout 1 and 2; both of which I found in the bottom of a discount movie bin in a drug store. I think Bethesda did a pretty faithful job of creating the Fallout 3 sequel. Graphically they were very respectful of the original style too. One thing I did notice after playing through 1 and 2 (both of which I can't seem to beat yet) is that the plots and dialogues seem to be a lot more through-out than Fallout 3. New Vegas did a hella of a job catching that same type of humor and in depth characters that the original two games had. But no surprise there since they had some of the original creators work on that installment.

I am however a bit concerned about the dialogue system in Fallout 4. It doesn't seem like you can make informed choices on your own dialogue to NPC's. Guess we'll find out how Bethesda handles that in November when the game actually launches.

I'm a big fan of the series even though I only started playing the first 2 this season.

(by the way finding out there is a time limit in Fallout 1 after you have already invested hours into playing it... is one of the most horrific things ever. Always remember to make multiple save slots you'll regret using just one the entire time like me).

This post has been edited by T-Bone: 19 August 2015 - 05:34 AM