[Dr Lancer-X]

Verasev, on 16 September 2016 - 10:41 AM, said:

So lancer was he objectively wrong? Or from whose perspective is him being wrong required?

up to you. even the definition of 'wrong' is up to interpretation, as invariably lies can often lead to a greater truth. what we want to do is to explore the circumstances under which michael foucault's theories fall apart / bring society to ruination

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why not go the whole hog and integrate politics and religion? what we need is some good christian mzx games, the purpose of which is to drive the user to a conversion experience after they're defeated by a final boss aptly called "Sin" or "Trump," for godsakes

excellent suggestion. i think these are good avenues for exploration. i did some megazeux work that sort of thieved from wittgenstein, it would be really cool to do something similar with kant.

[Bramble]

Dr Lancer-X, on 15 September 2016 - 09:03 PM, said:

up to you. even the definition of 'wrong' is up to interpretation, as invariably lies can often lead to a greater truth. what we want to do is to explore the circumstances under which michael foucault's theories fall apart / bring society to ruination


excellent suggestion. i think these are good avenues for exploration. i did some megazeux work that sort of thieved from wittgenstein, it would be really cool to do something similar with kant.

yes. anything you said sounded true. isn't it confusticating how we ply with philosophy under the guise of megasocks. it's high art one might pontificate. you've started a veritable megalution. let's dub it The New Philosophy and change mzx's middle name to MegaSophy

[Verasev]

Wrong, the definition of wrong is what goes away when i remember to take my meds. And games could, in all seriousness, be made about any subject so long as they arent crude and preachy. Ruin Diver III had Christian themes and it was an excellent game.

[Verasev]

And i would totes play a game with Cheeto Benito as the final boss.

[Dr Lancer-X]

all these themes shall be explored in my upcoming megazeux game "we will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of globalism". our plucky protagonist and xir lawyer hit the campaign trail as an aging reality tv plutocrat and a poorly reanimated corpse of a dead political dynasty fight it out to see who will get to make the tough decisions to do nothing about health care, economic inequality, racism, terrorism, global conflict and the jews. in the midst of a patriotism-fuelled haze we explore once and for all if the american dream is dead (it is), if your student loans will ever be forgiven (they won't be) and most importantly, what to do when your puppet presidential candidate dies two weeks from the first debate (unfortunately bernie's supporters all hate you now)

[Verasev]

Finally, a game that handles sensitive subjects with compassion, realism, and a deft touch (in a very special place (if you know what i mean (nmiaow))).

[Bramble]

Versasev raised a great pint that i think needs further exploitation. MegaZeux as Prono. in a strictly philosophical way, we could explode what it feels to mean attraction toward flesh colored asciis

any talkers

[Dr Lancer-X]

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: "justentered"
mod "Linkin Park - In The End.ogg"
give 32767 ammos
give 32767 hibombs
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[Baby Bonnie Hood]

OGG? Make it a MOD or S3M instead.

[Dr Lancer-X]

mod "Linkin Park - In The End.wav"

[CJA]

mod "Linkin Park - In The End (Converted_by_ModPlug_Tracker).midi.it"

FTFY

also

Dr Lancer-X, on 15 September 2016 - 08:13 PM, said:

i think there's lots of room for exploring social justice in megazeux. perhaps we could do a game jam thing along those lines. lots of philosophical space to explore

Bramble, on 15 September 2016 - 08:50 PM, said:

why not go the whole hog and integrate politics and religion? what we need is some good christian mzx games, the purpose of which is to drive the user to a conversion experience after they're defeated by a final boss aptly called "Sin" or "Trump," for godsakes

Dr Lancer-X, on 15 September 2016 - 09:22 PM, said:

all these themes shall be explored in my upcoming megazeux game "we will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of globalism". our plucky protagonist and xir lawyer hit the campaign trail as an aging reality tv plutocrat and a poorly reanimated corpse of a dead political dynasty fight it out to see who will get to make the tough decisions to do nothing about health care, economic inequality, racism, terrorism, global conflict and the jews. in the midst of a patriotism-fuelled haze we explore once and for all if the american dream is dead (it is), if your student loans will ever be forgiven (they won't be) and most importantly, what to do when your puppet presidential candidate dies two weeks from the first debate (unfortunately bernie's supporters all hate you now)

oh my god I really have a sickening urge to make a game like this (in a game jam, DoZ, QDoZ or BKZX) even though I know it will only bring me trepidation and regret

[Dr Lancer-X]

alright, i've finished the title screen. i'm passing the baton onto whoever wants to work on it next

maybe we should do 1 board each and pass it along or something

EDIT: idea

Bioshock but with Donald Trump in place of Andrew Ryan

Attached File(s)

•  ProjectMAGA.zip (520.28K)
  Number of downloads: 11

[CJA]

i started working on something but it really sucks

can we brainstorm some more. where does the protagonist lean. what kind of game do i even

[Lachesis]

this thread

[Dr Lancer-X]

CJA, on 17 September 2016 - 04:52 PM, said:

i started working on something but it really sucks

sounds perfect

CJA, on 17 September 2016 - 04:52 PM, said:

can we brainstorm some more. where does the protagonist lean. what kind of game do i even

hmm okay. I think in general it's probably best for the game on the whole to be as tone-deaf as possible. no kind of high-brow satire can really work if we're going to be discussing this election, which as we have seen is basically beyond the point of no return already.

in terms of the protagonist, the more i consider making this sort of like Bioshock, the more i like it. the protagonist is around to observe, so you just shove things in the protagonist's face, interpretation is up to the player. one of my earlier thoughts was also putting the protagonist in sort of a reporter-type role, observing what's going on and attempting to understand the broader meaning of it all, sort of like Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72. there's no need for the protagonist to be independent, but picking a viewpoint that is abhorrent to everyone could be pretty good.

don't feel like you need to think too hard about this. i certainly didn't. honestly i just wanted a quick payoff for the Linkin Park - In The End (Converted_by_ModPlug_Tracker).midi.it joke and this seemed like a good way to do it.

[Verasev]

Yeah but how does the combat work and who would you be fighting? Or is this a story only game? Also, I think the protagonist should be an accelerationist socialist trying to get Trump elected to make people so sick of plutocratic capitalism they will fall into the arms of socialism.

[Verasev]

Eventually, though, you'll have to put down Trump, a monster of your own making.

[Dr Lancer-X]

how about we make the protagonist an anarcho-capitalist who sees the continuous irritating and petulant election coverage as violating the NAP and has come out of their 50km deep nuclear strike bunker for the first time in thirty years to retaliate against both candidates and the entire american electoral system

[Verasev]

And you acquire and sell increasingly troubling/offensive things to fund your trip.

[Dr Lancer-X]

Verasev, on 17 September 2016 - 11:25 PM, said:

And you acquire and sell increasingly troubling/offensive things to fund your trip.

mmmm, that could work.

In the final chapter of Rewrite the protagonist joins both warring factions (Gaia and Guardian) and plays them off against each other so he can weaken them both down and destroy both of them. i like that idea except it's probably taking this a bit too seriously to be funny.

sometimes you just need to give the player 32767 ammos and 32767 hibombs and have a [ message box explaining that the char-edited tigers are west virginian coal miners (my inability to give a better example comes from not having as developed an understanding of american politics as a citizen would have, which is why i'm limited in how much i can contribute to this game)

[CJA]

fuck here's my addition

added unused bonus track, Angry (Converted_by_ModPlug_Tracker).midi.it, for your inspiration

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•  ProjectMAGA_2_CJA.zip (2.22MB)
  Number of downloads: 6

[Dr Lancer-X]

this is fantastic. i think you nailed it perfectly.

[Verasev]

This is great. It has kind of an Fallout vibe, what with the vault dweller going to face the big world outside. Maybe sneak a few more Fallout references in? So where does our intrepid anarcho capitalist go next? Does he even have any money to buy food with? How does he get involved with the election, if at all?

He wouldn't steal, as that involves a violation of the non-aggression principle. So the only way he can make money for himself is to sell something he already has or to provide a service.

And of course, he's going to have to "defend himself." A lot. No point in having second amendment rights if'n you ain't gonna use 'em.

Also, when you meet Hillary Clinton, her aides have to keep super gluing parts of her body back on.

This post has been edited by Verasev: 19 September 2016 - 02:45 PM

[Exophase]

Dr Lancer-X, on 15 September 2016 - 08:13 PM, said:

i think there's lots of room for exploring social justice in megazeux. perhaps we could do a game jam thing along those lines. lots of philosophical space to explore

the topic is "foucault was wrong". go

You need to start including female characters in your MZX games Lancer.

[Dr Lancer-X]

Exophase, on 20 September 2016 - 04:34 AM, said:

You need to start including female characters in your MZX games Lancer.

idk i think they're hard enough as is

[T-Bone]

WB

[Dr Lancer-X]

Verasev, on 20 September 2016 - 12:26 AM, said:

And of course, he's going to have to "defend himself." A lot. No point in having second amendment rights if'n you ain't gonna use 'em.

One of my favourite RPGs is Morrowind. In Morrowind attacking someone unprovoked is a crime, but killing someone who is attacking you is fine. You can goad people into attacking you with the 'Taunt' option, if you're persuasive enough. You can even bribe people so they'll listen to you, then taunt them more if you aren't quite persuasive enough to do it right off the bat. The best part is that you can take your money back afterwards once you've killed them, and it's totally legal!

Anyway, a good thing about AnCaps is that there's all sorts of things that count as aggressions and can be responded to with lethal force. Some (most) may not be upheld by the law, but that shouldn't matter.

[CJA]

Verasev, on 19 September 2016 - 10:26 AM, said:

This is great. It has kind of an Fallout vibe, what with the vault dweller going to face the big world outside. Maybe sneak a few more Fallout references in? So where does our intrepid anarcho capitalist go next? Does he even have any money to buy food with? How does he get involved with the election, if at all?

He wouldn't steal, as that involves a violation of the non-aggression principle. So the only way he can make money for himself is to sell something he already has or to provide a service.

And of course, he's going to have to "defend himself." A lot. No point in having second amendment rights if'n you ain't gonna use 'em.

Also, when you meet Hillary Clinton, her aides have to keep super gluing parts of her body back on.

Some Idea's:

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Well, first he has to get outside. Someone can make it an Actual Game at this point with a platforming or adventure section to travel up the shaft/through the caves to the outside world. Or just skip this bit.

Next he's in Arizona in middle 2016, some mountainous location that's just remote enough to get that Fallout 3 "yer out of the vault" vibe.

Next he hits a modern city. Pokemon Go has just been released, and so, ZOMBIES with pale faces, staring into magical slave boxes that are plugged into their ears with EDM booming out of Starbucks where people buy stimulant slurries to keep them moving... There's your "edgy bullshit Pokemon Go/Coffee/Hard Work makes you a zombie" reference to top it all off.

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One idea to glue this story to the ongoing U.S. presidential election: This guy is SO "Alt Right" and shuttered off from the modern world that he is a SPECIMEN. Trump would give up his very golden locks to shake this man's hand and hoist him as a symbol of the party. But the man quickly realizes that these people are only for "constitutional freedom" when it gives them the "freedom" to be comfortable with their bigotry. Or something.

Hillary would treat him like a caveman, an example of everything wrong with the America of the past and present. She would lead him on a tour of shame, but he would be solid in his convictions and never bend, actually citing Hillary's "moral corruption" of sensitivity and global awareness, and perhaps eventually turning her to his political side.

I also have a campy, predictable twist for later if the story gets that far.

Anyway, please, PLEASE, rewrite my political ideology ignorance in the dialogue and stuff. It's a learning experience!™ Although, if it is so wrong it's funny, just leave it I guess!

[Verasev]

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Arizona is perfect. Probably some kind of very basic survival simulation would work for your trek back to civilization.

Regarding Pokemon Go, it's important to remember he would have nothing but respect for the creators of the game, what with the money making potential. He would wish he had come up with the idea. His complaints would be that it gets people to wander into private property, which is sacrosanct to ancaps. He would have contempt for the zombiefied customers.

I keep bringing up the money issue because it's importance to ancaps cannot be undersold. Everything is commerce to them.

I see this guy debating people and "winning," mostly by his opponents giving up in confusion or disgust. Maybe this guy should eventually run as a third party candidate?

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[Dr Lancer-X]

Verasev, on 20 September 2016 - 11:26 AM, said:

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Maybe this guy should eventually run as a third party candidate?

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I like the idea of one of the last levels being some sort of silly strategy game, vaguely modelled after Risk and things like that, with each US state as a conquerable region-- the map starts out almost entirely blue and red, but as you manage to win states over, defeat media bias etc. you start turning the map your colours (or maybe just yellow like the Gadsden flag, because two colours might be too much of a pain for the map)...