[duvel]

My brother reserved it, but his X-Box needs a new drive, and it hasn't come in YET.

[Torte]

I CHOOSE CLASSIFIED BECAUSE my older brother downloadeed it when it leaked and the french dub actually rocked IT IS CLASSIFIED.

[Bramble]

I'm pretty sure my friend has it by now. CAN'T WAIT WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT woo hoo.

[Micah]

No. Halo is fail.

[duvel]

Poo @ you :(.

[LostOne]

Micah, on Nov 12 2004, 04:40 PM, said:

No. Halo is fail. Halo 2 rocks your face off.

I totally agree with you Micah.

[Dr_Dos]

Micah, on Nov 13 2004, 12:40 AM, said:

No. Halo is fail.

and everybody here says the 2nd one is good but not as good as the first which says something.

It says I am right for playing Nes roms on my dreamcast.

[gofer-chan]

if i had an xbox i would, but i do not have one yet!

[weasel]

If the PC version were out...I still wouldn't preorder it. I'd wait for the price to go down because I'm a cheapskate I don't have a job.

[GetDizzy]

I just rented it, and Halo 2's single player is so far slightly boring compared to Halo 1's single player, but the multiplayer is definitely WAAAAY improved.

[Pyro1588]

don't have an xbox, decent pc, or parental approval for halo, but i've played it anyway. halo 1 was awesome =)
i'd like to play halo 2.

[LostOne]

I played a four player co-op today.... It was wonderful.

[Spectere]

Four player...co-op?

[ShloobeR]

I havent even played Halo 1 yet =(

[Bramble]

really? dang...the best is to get more than 1 tv. say, 2; then you link them up with two different xboxes, and play 4 on 4. It's cool because each team can't sneak a look at the other players' screens to see where they are and what they're doing.

[LostOne]

Or get four tv's and xbox's and play 8 on 8...

This post has been edited by LostOne: 15 November 2004 - 01:18 AM

[Pyro1588]

or just play ut2k4 on pc with 30 different players each on their own screens...

[Spectere]

Pyro1588, on Nov 14 2004, 09:42 PM, said:

or just play ut2k4 on pc with 30 different players each on their own screens...

Then you can't scream at the other players and threaten beatings (though XBox Live! wouldn't be too personal, either ). That's the most fun part about playing large games of Halo.

Voice chat just isn't the same.

This post has been edited by Spectere: 15 November 2004 - 02:59 AM

[gofer-chan]

as of today, halo 2 is no longer the best first person shooter in the world sorry guys

BECAUSE HALF LIFE 2 IS OUT FUCK YEAAH

[(^_^)]

Halo is an overrated game...

Either that, or the controls are more uncomfortable than the game play is...

This is like N64 Z button adaptation all over again!!!

[Spectere]

Why does everyone constantly say that Halo is overrated? It wouldn't be as popular as it is if it wasn't a good game.

[(^_^)]

Dont get me wrong, it's a great game...

The problem is, that it is lacking in a few unnoticable principles:

Norman's Design Principles

Norman specifies five basic design principles:
Visibility
Mappings
Affordances
Constraints (Forcing Functions)
Feedback

http://www.bookofhook.com/

[Csonicgo]

Spectere, on Nov 14 2004, 04:33 AM, said:

Four player...co-op?

Oh yes. it's an all out brawl. the only problem is that my friends are gung-ho and will kill everything before I can even move...- why do I have to be the server....

[Spectere]

(^_^), on Nov 16 2004, 02:10 PM, said:

The problem is, that it is lacking in a few unnoticable principles

Hmm, interesting site. I think I'll bookmark it.

Visibility - Bungie did a good job of making sure that you know exactly what to do, in the form of nav points and Cortana's verbal instructions.

Mappings - Halo's control settings are pretty standard as far as console first-person shooters go. While they don't offer a whole lot in terms of customization they are certainly adequite, and I'm one of the people who think that FPS games just work better on the PC (Halo certainly proved me wrong in that regard).

Affordances - As in most first-person shooters, Halo keeps this simple -- weapons are for shooting and switches are for switching.

Constraints - Halo doesn't allow the player to go where they shouldn't for the most part. Believe me, I've tried to beat the system as much as I could. Probably the worst thing I've done was take vehicles where they weren't meant to be taken. The best example I can think of was when my friend and I managed to get a Ghost into a cramped base. Yes, hilarity ensued.

Feedback - Halo provides feedback in the form of cut-scenes, verbal confirmation (usually via Cortana), controller vibrations (weapon fire and damage), as well as aural and visual.

I really don't see how they violated any of the said design principals. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on it, though.

Oh yeah, that said, I bought Half-Life 2 and am currently installing it.

[(^_^)]

I found a better link: http://www.bookofhoo...yThingsApp.html

The only think I didn't like in Halo: Mappings
MAPPINGS define the relationship between controls and their actions. If a game uses "stick up" to duck, then you have a poor mapping. Poor mappings are difficult to memorize, forcing the user to pause and think about which button/stick does what action. The WASD key cluster is a good mapping system for forward/back/left/right. Likewise using the L and R triggers for "juke left" and "juke right" are good mappings -- it is easy to remember what controls correspond to which actions. There were old games that used to do crazy things like map D/F and J/K to left/right and up/down respectively -- mapping a horizonal key pair to a vertical action feels very wrong to most users. There have even been some relatively modern games that mapped a controller's stick to an on-screen character's relative direction -- so pushing up would move your character right if that character was facing to the right. While this may have made intellectual sense to those game designers, most players were exasperated by such schemes. Why? Because the mapping didn't feel right -- when you push left, what you're controlling on screen should move left relative to the player.

Syphon Filter was a user friendly game in controls
So was GTA
So was Time Crisis
So was Doom
So was Quake (uh.. sorta)
Unreal tournament, etc

On the other hand these weren't:
Any shooter from N64 (Exception : Golden Eye)
Or Halo...(No exception)

Was not... It took me an entire day to learn how to efficiently climb up a ladder!!!
I love the close range attack button though.
But otherwise, it didn't have controls that I could adapt to...

I'm not sure if it was the shape of the controller, the weight of the rumble pack or that I just plain suck. Whatever it was, I dont like the game and would rather play any other shooting game. In fact, I've watched some online parodies of this game online and it enhanced my discust further.

The N64 trigger leaves my hand uncomfortable and sore. What's the use of the damn D button in shooting games? Other than the "plenty" option in Goldeneye?

Maybe I'm just a hater? I dislike standard RPGs too.(Mario RPG is an exception... that was a beautiful game) My hope is that I can invent a game that can reach my level of expectations in what a good game is. Or become an exception to what a game of that genre should be.

With all these new hybrid games coming out, it's getting more and more difficult to label game genres.

And it gets harder and harder to get people to see things the way that I see them.

[weasel]

It's probably the controller. Even on the S-type (small) controllers, some of the necessary buttons are too far out of the way. But then, I haven't had much game experience with an XBox controller; every time I've played a demo unit the darn thing has locked up on me and refused to reset properly.

And what is a "D" button? I saw you mention one in your N64 rant.

I personally felt that most of the N64's shooters controlled well - Turok 1 was kinda out there with the control pad toggling walk/run, but aside from that it controlled quite well. Turok 2 felt much the same, expanding the left side of the controller for sniper mode. Now, the N64's controller wasn't that well designed with as far out as the left side is, but there's no denying that the developers got around that easily.

[GetDizzy]

oh god Halo 2 multiplayer is the awesomest thing that ever was awesome.


I just played a 3 player game with my friend Josh and my brother Jason.

Jason lost horribly, me and Josh tied (I won one, he won one, that kinda thing). It was so awesome.

I love the sword... every FPS has to have a hard to use weapon that when used correctly is a one hit kill, like that sword.

[djtiesto]

I still honestly can't see why all the Xbots are so obsessed with Halo... the original did nothing for me, and I hear the sequel is already a big disappointment that doesn't really add nothing new.

[duvel]

I like the second . DUAL NEEDLERS BABY.

[Pyro1588]

i personally hate trying to play shooters on any kind of control setup other than keyboard and mouse. it just doesn't work. splinter cell and pandora tomorrow were just annoying on console systems because controlling your camera while moving and while controlling other things (all of the interaction and whatnot) just didn't work with two thumbsticks and a bunch of randomly-scattered buttons (well, i did play the PT demo on GC, so xbox is probably marginally better.)

anyway, i like halo alot. i'm not saying it's the best shooter ever, but it's definately a great shooter with a nice plot and good cutscenes. there was a nice variety of weapons and the whack-the-enemy-upside-the-head move was always fun. i gotta say that the little short enemies always looked like alien munchkins akin to those from wizard of oz (needless to say, i loved killing them )

i haven't gotten to play half-life or hl2, but i want to. while waiting with my youth symphony friends to go onstage, our concertmaster matt was counting down until hl2's release =)

i hate the n64's controller, mainly because there it doesn't make sense. my guess is that the developers were like "hey, we're 3d now, so we need a new and unique controller" and so they decided that, since they added another dimension, they should just add another part onto the controller so that you need 3 hands to operate it. i did like goldeneye, though...

blowing away 15 flood with the shotgun is so much fun =)